A Response to *snap snap* “The Oaks”
I want to start by saying how disappointed I am in myself for even acknowledging this video.
I’m sure you’ve all seen (and laughed at) the video I posted of @OakleyInc (follow him – oh wait – the silly goose has a protected account!) ranting about how @Jeffler, me, and several others in sports media and the blogosphere are fakes, phonies, and we have essentially bought our way to success. I’m told he’s working on a sequel video, because that’s what sad, strange, lonely little men do.
So this is what I have to say in response, and then I’m done with the guy forever.
“I’ve often wondered why a guy like me who’s well-rounded, fun, entertaining, has, you know, 1,500 followers or whatever I have, and other people who seem to have the integrity of camel dung – tens of thousands.”
…A couple things with that.
When you say you’re well-rounded, fun, and entertaining, chances are you aren’t well-rounded, fun, or entertaining. Hey – at least you’re humble! As for the whole “Why them and not me?” question you ask, I’ll address that a little later.
Oakley goes on to say how myself, Jeffler, several bloggers, and several members of the mainstream sports media including James Mirtle and Bob McKenzie, have fake followers following our Twitters, and we are therefore the scum of the earth. War? Poverty? Nuts to that crap! The real issue is porn bots!
Well Troy, or should I say, “the Oaks”, fake accounts that tweet “Here’s my boobs” or “you’ve won an iPad 2″ tend to follow popular accounts (like mine) because we’re popular. They have a higher likelihood of being seen that way, so of course they gravitate to larger accounts. But logic be damned, you think we all just bought the followers. That will get us success!
I make videos. I post those videos to my Twitter. Now, if I have 10,000 followers, and only 50 of them are real, my videos would only get 50 views. Fake users can’t watch my videos, and therefore, don’t benefit me at all. That doesn’t explain the over 2.6 million views on my YouTube channel, does it, friend?
Which brings me to something you said that I didn’t like much. I’ll go through it piece by piece.
“This isn’t a vendetta. I never liked Steve Dangle.”
Yes you did, Troy. You asked me to take a picture with you. You repeatedly came to talk to me while I was working at Real Sports covering Leafs games. One time, you came up in an aggressive manner I didn’t really like because you were upset that I wasn’t following you on Twitter. Don’t be upset I’m just not interested in reading over 110,000 tweets, dude.
“I never liked Steve Dangle and I know that some of you sports fans think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. He’s a 20-something kid, OK? He’s no better than anybody else. I’m no better than anybody else, but at least every single one of my 1,500 plus followers are real.”
And skip ahead a wee bit…
“Listen, you guys have been using your fake followers to get positions where you are, whether it be at the CBC – I’m not gonna mention names. Who’s at the CBC right now? Oh that would be Lauren (@laurenonizzle) and Steve Dangle, and you’ve got inflated follower counts.
Where to begin…
Firstly, you don’t think you’re better than anybody else, huh? So what was that “Why them and not me?” stuff about?
If by calling me 20-something you meant to say 24, then yes. Awesome research, Anderson Cooper. Yes Troy, I’m a 24-year-old kid doing what you want to do, and you’re a little upset with that. I get it. But let me maybe explain what it took to get to where I am.
Despite claims from some of your (barely literate) followers that I’m “uneducated”, I graduated with a B.A. in Radio and Television Arts from Ryerson University in 2010. During my second year in that program (19-years-old), I began a YouTube channel that, to date, has over 2,630,000 hits (that’s larger than the population of Toronto). Also during my second year, I got an internship at the Fan 590 (what is now called Sportsnet Radio) while still attending all my classes. During my third year of school, I interned for a nationally syndicated junior hockey radio show called RBC Junior Hockey Magazine, and had the pleasure of interviewing the likes of Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Matt Duchene, John Tavares, and so on, on a weekly basis. It wasn’t uncommon to book guests for that show during classes, arrive at the studio at 10am, leave the studio at midnight, get home for 1am, then get up for the 7am train to go back downtown for classes. During my fourth year of school, I began interning with Leafs TV, doing a number of things, but mostly video-editing. Also during fourth year, Nike contacted me about covering the 2010 World Juniors in Saskatchewan. We did such a good job that they sent my coworkers and I to Vancouver for 17 days to cover the Olympics (I only had about 2,000 followers then, by the way). The entire time that process was going on, I was helping my classmates with our practicum project that involved creating, filming, and editing a pilot for a reality TV show from scratch. We took 50-60 hours of footage and edited it down to 23-minutes. I then graduated and got hired onto the Leafs TV team, partially involving live television appearances, did many more things with Nike including the World Juniors twice more, hosted a commercial for the Toronto Zoo, co-hosted a NHL/KHL video blog/weekly television segment that was seen on Russian National TV, and work for CBC Sports. That’s not everything, but my fingers are tired.
In case you can’t tell, the “Steve’s some kid” argument gets to me. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard it. Am I young? Yes. But I bust my ass. I put in time. I do what it takes. Rather than do any of those things yourself, you scowl, sulk, and whimper to your camera asking “Why not me?”
Why not you? You’re 40-years old (just ask his YouTube channel profile), and you make videos like that. I’m not going to hurl insults at you. I didn’t write this for that reason. I genuinely feel bad for you, and I want to help you. Here are some helpful pointers:
- Never ever begin a video with the double snap point
- Give yourself any nickname you want, but lose “the Oaks”
- Don’t talk about how much integrity you have when the most viewed video on your YouTube channel is an hour long special on the Leafs you clearly just took from an old TV special. (75+ Years of the Toronto Maple Leafs – Maple Leafs Forever)
- Don’t call yourself well-rounded when the only button you used on your camera was “record.” Show me editing, you well-rounded man you!
- Don’t call yourself fun and entertaining before going on a nine-minute-long monotone diatribe
- Stop looking out the damn window. There’s nobody out there. You’re making a video. Look into the camera.
- Don’t say “I’m not gonna name names” and then immediately name names. Nobody’s done that to me since the sixth grade.
- Talk a little bit slower because you’re panting. I’ve done live television before and I recognize that little uneasy quiver in your voice. It’s adrenaline. Freaks you out a bit, right? It’s ok. It goes away with experience. It’s all in how you handle it.
- Fiddle around with basic editing software and figure out how to use it a bit. I only use iMovie. I used to use Windows Movie Maker. It isn’t difficult, and you’ll be glad you learned the skill.
- Organize your thoughts. It will help your videos be shorter than nine minutes.
- Stop looking off camera at your notes or to gather your thoughts. Read them before hand and memorize them. That’s also a skill that comes with time.
- Use exact numbers. Using “something like” numbers makes you sound like you’re making it up or just don’t care enough.
- Don’t complain when somebody embeds a video without your permission. They don’t need it. You put it on YouTube.
- Want more followers? Un-protect your Twitter account!
- Want to be well-respected in social media? Don’t make a nine-minute video trashing a bunch of people, delete all the negative comments, and then fill the comment box with two pages of your own comments
Anyway, I hope that helps, man. I know I’m just some 20-something kid, but if you’re willing to let me, I can help you learn a thing or two. I’m not the best. I’m learning, too. This is my sixth year in the industry and I still consider myself somewhat of a rookie, but if you want some pointers, I can help.
I hear you’re making another video about this. That’s unfortunate. I hope you don’t, but if you do, I won’t be watching it. You’ve had your say, and this is mine. I don’t want to talk about it anymore. Advice? I’m all ears. This issue? No thank you. Not interested.
Thanks for reading. Hopefully this lockout situation clears up so I can go back to talking about hockey instead.
Steve
Link to Oakley’s video: http://www.stevedangle.com/guy-doesnt-like-jeffler-or-i-hilarious-video-ensues
Wait – I can buy followers? I’ve been doing it wrong!
Derp.
Wanna do a joint bake sale to raise some funds?
Well, at least he doesn’t seem too bothered by it all.
His entire visage is sadness.
Keep up the good work Steve. I’m sorry you even brought this to anybody’s attention. Had that video remained on the internets with as many views as I have followers (and that number matches the sweater number of the great Steve Larmer, last I checked) we’d all be better off.
You know, Troy is disturbed yeah? I have the unfortunate honour of sitting near Troy at Marlies games, and he is the most obnoxious child I have ever had to endure. I’m glad you said something, he’s completely out to lunch. He mentioned in his video that he was respectful and during the playoffs he was the most rude obnoxious idiot there was in the stands. He wears a fake “press” lanyard around his neck, and is what I would call a complete poser.
The Internet, social media and all the great tools out there have given so many people a voice and a stage, unfortunately some of them need a permanent hook with the hopes we never have to put up with their tripe filled whine-fests.
I started my own company at 24, and I had to endure the “young punk” thing for quite a while. It becomes a badge of honour when it means you’ve busted your ass, paid your dues, and built some amount of success in your craft. People take notice, and your young punk years become a bedrock of experience that make you even more successful as you get older. Good luck Steve, keep bustin’ your hump. As for Troy, I feel sorry for you.
Nice piece, Steve.
I hustled my ass off similarly all throughout University, both undergrad and grad school.
I don’t work at the CBC because of my Twitter followers (like, seriously?), it’s because I’m good at what I do and… ya know… the Masters degree in journalism helped.
Who IS this Oakley guy? Derp.
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Reading this comment I realize I should have called him Derply.
As much as I don’t think you should have even bothered responding to a whiny, middle-aged attention seeker, at least you did it with class.
Good response Steve. Been a fan for a long time can tell that you work hard through the sheer amount of content you put out. I don’t think this dude really convinced anyone to believe opposite. Keep it up the fans appreciate what you do!
Dangle well said, Troy is a disturbed old man craving for the attention you & Jeffler receive, this is an act on his part of jealousy. I’d admire how maturely you’ve handle this Steve. That’s integrity
Really people? Bigger man? Steve you’re kind of a douchebag. Did his post accusing you of bots and being young really merit such a defensive and dull diatribe? I bet you feel really good and cool after deconstructing this one. Keep it classy
I feel good in myself in the sense that I’ve earned everything I’ve achieved. What would you have preferred me to do, miss? Let the guy trash me? I’m not even allowed to respond? Why not just say you’re a fan of his, and leave me alone. He accused me of something that’s flat out wrong, and I defended myself. Simple as that. Bye.
Yaay! Ryerson Grad
I agree with you Steve and I thought I’d share what I commented on this guys video…seeing as it probably won’t get approved.
“Hmmmmmm…The fact that you’d post a video like this just speaks to your character. How is this video helping anyone but yourself? I’m working my ass of right now in school to get into this industry and I only started a year ago. I’M 26! It doesn’t matter how old you are…it’s the work you put in. I have worked my ass off to get published and yes I do use twitter a lot in my business. The fact is, your “integrity” is lost on me.
PS. One thing I’ve learned in this business…burning bridges doesn’t help you.”
Reading some things here about The Oak’s personal grudges and demanding to get follows with people, pictures with people, whatever the case is. Is this guy the next Jeff Morris of the hockey blogosphere? Better yet, what happened to Jeff Morris, anyways?
Anyways I really don’t get some of the assumptions this guy jumps to in his video. You and Jeffler, fake followers or not (I really do believe that Jeffler buys followers but I have my reasons for that) got where you are by being creative and interactive. You don’t get positions in the hockey world by having high numbers of Twitter followers.
The personal boasting from him is just hilarious, especially because he tries to duck around it and say it as quickly and quietly as possible. At some point he says something about his followers worshipping him but he says it so fast and under his breath that it’s sometimes hard to detect. Too funny.
Steve,
I’ve known you personally from our days at the zoo, and I remember picking your brain about all the other jobs you were working. I remember thinking how tiring it must be to do what you did, and I’m really proud when I see you’ve hit new milestones.
Keep up the good work, and don’t sweat the clowns that you’re bound to encounter, such as “The Oaks”.
I love you even more after this…..no homo.
Cant believe “The Steve Dangle Show” on Fusion Radio wasn’t at the top of your accomplishments. What’s a CBC anyways?
Nice response Steve, and good job being the bigger man about this whole drama. I really thought the advice section was a nice touch, once again showing how great a guy you are. Just like when you took time out of your own holiday in Edinburgh to meet up for a pint. You’re a top notch bloke Steve.
Thanks, Torch! Look after my girlfriend’s homeland for me til I get back.
Troy used to be a part of WeWantACup.com and they kicked him out. haha. The quality of that site has skyrocketed!!
Steve is a fake. His lack of word tattoos proves that.
Worst tattoos EVER!
Great Post! This guy needs to shut up and if he wants to be famous instead of bashing other people he should follow your tips. Cant believe he says he hates you on camera and in real life he wants a picture from you. What a Hypocrite. Btw your vids are great , only been watching since this past season but dam u are funny!
If someone was to “buy” fake followers, I’m sure they’d get at least 50k. You only have 10k. It’s believable that they’re real. I’m not even “popular” and I have a bunch of random followers I don’t even know.
This guy is an idiot. Never seen someone so jealous in my life. All it is is jealousy of the guys like you and Jeffler.
Hey Steve,
That probably felt good, as it was fun to read. But there’s no point in arguing with idiots – they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. I wouldn’t have gone about this by making a post about all of your accomplishments and parsing his inane rant. He’s not worth your time; your work speaks for itself, his irrelevance should remain in tact, and you don’t deserve to come off as conceited in the course of getting a riled up by some deranged dude’s jealous rant against you.
I recognized this guy’s name from twitter because he harasses people for follows and holds scary personal grudges against those that don’t follow back. He clearly has some issues and he’s over-invested himself in his twitter personality. This probably traces back to some childhood – and possibly mental health – issues, but I don’t want to make any more assumptions than I already have.
I hope everyone follows your advice and doesn’t bother viewing or sharing his next video if and when it is uploaded.
Keep up the good work.
Great post Steve. I’ve been watching your videos from the beginning and I know how hard you have worked. When “The Oaks” called you out it really upset me because you didn’t get popular with fakes and illusions, you got to where you are buy hard work, being your best, and HAT GUY! (yeah, although annoying he is still hilarious and makes your videos entertaining) But on a serious note, instead of getting everyone to bash on the dude, just ignore him and let him be. He can still make videos, but if no one watches them, then he can do no harm.
Nicely written as always Steve. We’ve met a couple of times and you’ve always been both fun and professional. Although our career paths are very different, I too take offence to my age being used against me – especially by people crying ‘why not me’ – when the reasons are many (In hindsight it’s almost always funny). Reputation and perception are both important, and as such it’s not fun to step out of character, to be forced to defend yourself (and the path it took to get there), but you’ve done a good job of it.
I too cannot wait for the labour dispute to end, and your hockey video’s to begin again. Oh I also wish that I never gave his video a view and would like those 9 minutes of my life returned – somehow I hold you responsible for making up those precious seconds.
*Slow Clap* ………. very well said Steve, and wow I had no idea all the stuff you have done too get where you are today. probs man much deserved.
What the fuck is up with the hockey internet drama? Does everyone not have better shit to do then this????